jswindell
5 post s
17-Aug-2008
4:58 PM
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After building several different boosters, I have designed one that works well for me and may help others as well. My first design was a single cell (2 plates) that were spaced at 1/8" with a total surface area of 160 square inches. The plates were rolled in a spiral and fitted down into a 4" PVC pipe canister. The booster generated huge amounts of HHO gas but got hot in about 30 or 40 minutes. Next, I built a Smack's booster exactly the way the instructions said and it lasted the same amount of time and overheated, melting the PVC container at the Pos terminal. I later found out that the booster was not designed for long distance drives without special PWM attached, and I trashed it, mainly because it did not generate near the gas as my first design anyway, and I did not want to pay some hydrogen generator salesman for another electronic part to add to my vehicle (PWM) when I knew I could design a generator for my vehicle that would not overheat. After much research, I built a generator that works over long distances and does not overheat. It also boosts my fuel mileage from 22 mpg to near 40 mpg. I went back to my original thought that more surface area will make more gas and threw out the idea that I have a 12 volt system. My vehicle runs at 14.25 volts at idle when measuring across the battery terminals. I found that you need between 1.5 and 2 volts per cell to optimally produce gas. I built my booster with 7 cells in order to use up the voltage that is applied to the system while running. As an added safety against overheating, I designed an electrolyte tank that doubled the volume of my booster and connected the tank so that heat would circulate between the tank and the booster. The result was satisfactory and I drive for 1, 2, or more hours nonstop without exess heat. All this with the booster connected to continuous vacuum which is not recommended due to it lowers the boiling point of the exectrolyte. I am glad to provide details of my design to anyone who wants it, but I do not build or install boosters. Keep in mind that my booster is mounted in the bed of my truck and has an overall height of 18 inches, not for everyone. I needed a booster that would be capable of running long term without overheating, I drive a long way each day and this design suits me.
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renie
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0 post
18-Aug-2008
10:01 AM
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Yes I am interested in your design, can you share it please?
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jswindell
6 post s
19-Aug-2008
5:53 PM
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If you want some photos and drawings, log in and I will send them to you via email. I am still looking for a way to contribute photos and such to this web site.
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scrode
4 post s
1-Sep-2008
11:31 AM
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use a plate design that uses neutrals. for instance mine uses the +nnnnn- design I have no problems with heat as the volts are split between cells. anything over 2.5 volts will cause heat in a brute force generator ( a generator that doesn't use a pwm, etc, to control voltage flow). remember you need at least 1.6 volts to make HHO.
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jswindell
8 post s
2-Sep-2008
3:35 PM
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My point was simply this: All generators will heat up over a period of time because there is no perfect way to control voltage and still produce gas at an effective rate. The PWM modules that I have seen can only handle 20 amps, so I have opted not to use one. A vehicle electrical system is NOT a 12 volt system, due to the alternator is attempting to charge the vehicle battery while running. So, a 6 cell +nnnnn- design is going to heat up if you pump 20 amps through it at 14 volts for any length of time (1 hour). Depending on the amount of electrolyte in the generator (liquid) you may not be able to run the cell over 30 miniutes or so before you boil the water in it. Keep in mind, I am pulling a constant 20 inches of vacuum on my cell, pumping 20 amps brute force, and running for 2 or more hours non-stop. Try running your cell at 20 amps and you will see what I mean.
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Alchemist
1 post
3-Sep-2008
7:00 PM
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To jswindel, Good work. Overheating is one of my problems. Could you please share your design. Thank you so much.
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scrode
6 post s
3-Sep-2008
9:49 PM
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You see, I don't pull 20 amps only about 12-15 and I have run it for 2 hrs at a time. I just today made a generator that after running at 17 volts and 10 amps for 1hour had no real heat up or amperage increase due to heat. and was putting out approx 1 lpm. I wrap my cells so they don't leak across the edges and waste energy and I adjust my electrolyte to keep the amps down. I also hook mine up to my vacuum. wrapping my cells made a measurable difference in heat and production less heat and more production.
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scrode
7 post s
3-Sep-2008
10:06 PM
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I use a 4" abs tube with an end cap and a female cleanout and plug drill two hole the size of small ss bolts and run them through to use as + and - connections. put a nipple in the plug for your outflow. total size of generator is 10"X4". I use 7 ss light switch covers flattened. I use a +nnnnn- design, spaced with thin strips of plastic that are about 1/16" wide and long running down the sides. bend the corner of 2 plates like ears and drill so you can connect the wires running from the bolts you put through tubes. after they are together use a nylon wire tie to hold together, then wrap from top to bottom (leave bottom and top open for electrolyte and HHO flow), the sides with rubber mastic tape (you can put a nylon wire tie to make sure the end doesn't unravel) place in tube connect to the wires in tube. fill to the bottom of threads with your electrolyte.everything is availabe at your local hardware store. I got mine at Home Depot.
Last Edited on 3-Sep-2008 10:09 PM
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trc13042
1 post
6-Sep-2008
11:27 AM
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I would appreciate the information how you built your generator and kept the heat down.
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jswindell
9 post s
6-Sep-2008
8:04 PM
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I have posted some useful diagrams, photos, and information for those who would like to review it. It is on my personal web page at zoomshare. Here is the link http://jswindell.zoomshare.com/
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lorenz1955
1 post
9-Sep-2008
2:16 AM
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Hi,Friend,today without sophisticated electronic, patience,and know-how in the hydrogen matter, all hho generator around the world ,is waste money. I have build hho generator and electronic in 8 months , but i am electronic engineer,more people tryed without schooling oder electronics and chemicals bases.This is the wrong.Pls ,excuse at all for my school english.
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flyingdoc
3 post s
17-Sep-2008
11:37 AM
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hi,i tried out a few different designs of cell,1st long distance was about 4an half hours with 23 pizza cutters alternate +-+- at 15amp draw trimmed it down on pwm wen it crept above,no serious overheating!was getting 75% increase mpg on 2.5 diesel motorhome.I had to change it to my onboard spare cell because solder on plates to rigging wire got to eaten away by quarter oftsp sodium hydroxide,have to redesign it.I replaced it with my bullet proof 3 tube design ss jubilee clips & threaded ss rod electrodes ,completed another 500 miles with no probs + same mpg gain, i think pwm is the way to go to stop overheating probz!. ps still cant get more than 20 mpg out of my 96 mazda bongo 2.5 turbo diesel n im useing 2 cells on that, gonna try 2 more,just cant seem to sus it.has anyone outthere had a good result with a 2.5 turbo diesel?,i await enlightenment!
Last Edited on 17-Oct-2008 4:34 AM
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